Apparently the US is going to send in assassination teams to knock off bin Laden. First, of course, they have to find him. Some, including President Musharraf of Pakistan, believe that he has been hiding very quietly for the last six years in a small whole in the ground measuring approximately two meters long by two meters deep and about 900mm wide from whence he has not once stirred.
Back in December 2001 even the Bush administration thought that bin Laden was dead. The Afghan leader, President Hamid Karzai, is another that thinks bin Laden is dead. And the FBI thinks he’s dead. By around 2003 however, the Bush administration realized that the myth of a living bin Laden is of more use to them than the legacy of his death so all talk of him being dead all but ceased as though the idea of him being dead had never crossed anybody’s minds. Three years later the administration is hoping that everyone had forgotten that they had said that they thought he was dead. Now they are after him again.
And they actually expect people to fall for this garbage. They really are getting desperate.
THE EXTREME RIGHT-WING ISRAELI LOONY LOBBY DISPLAY THEMSELVES FOR THE DISGUSTING RACISTS THEY REALLY ARE.
This new racist site, created to counter the Independent Australian Jewish Voices site created last month by Antony Loewenstein to cater for the moderate voice of Australian Jews, clearly demonstrates the lunatic views of extreme right-wing Zionists and their hate-mongering ideas. So far the hate site has collected a measly 40-odd signatures reflecting the miniscule following of the noisy Israeli Loony Lobbyists whose names can be found appearing regularly at various other hate sites run and frequented by the same people who have signed up to this garbage, most notably the Tim Blair hate site, the pseudo-intellectual Islamophobic Dylan Kissane whose lunatic ravings mirror the ideas of the likes of neocon warmongers Daniel Pipes and Joshua Muravchik, and the delusionally paranoid Geoff Pahoff.
Meanwhile, the voice of moderate Jews throughout the Diaspora and within Israel grows stronger.
AUSTRALIANS AT WAR
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The Bush Administration is not on the record as claiming that bin Laden is dead. That article you link to mentions only a joke (where being dead is one of three logical options) and a hint that Bush gave in private (though not to the reporter - obviously at least second hand information). The Bush Administration never made the claim you say they have.
This is off-topic, but what do you - as a pilot - make of Richard Tonkin's claim that aircraft are anticipated to soon make the trip from Washington DC to Australia in two hours?
http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1867
Anonymous, the article I linked to said that Rumsfeld had said: "We do know of certainty that he is in Afghanistan or some other country or dead." ...as in 'dead'. The only 'joke' is Rumsfeld himself.
Anonymous enquiring about hi-speed aircraft, scram-jet powered aircraft, if that's what Richard Tonkin is talking about, is quite feasible but whether it is anticipated 'soon' is another matter.
It also said that the reporters laughed. The joke, of course, is that there is no other possibility for bin Laden. I doubt this stands as the Bush Administration believes he is dead.
By the same token, if I said John Howard is in Australia, in another country, or dead this would not be me claiming the PM is dead - would it?
So the reporters laughed; so what? Were the FBI joking as well? And Hamid Karzai? And Musharraf? They were all joking as well?!
No, they probabl were not joking. Then again, none of them speak for the Bush Administration.
Thanks for the info on Scram jets. Interesting stuff, indeed.
The point is not so much about what the Bush administration actually said but what they believed regardless of whether you think it was a joke or not. In light of the FBI, Karzai and Musharraf at the time expressing belief that bin Laden was dead it would not be unreasonable to assume that Rumsfeld, despite you thinking that he was speaking with tongue in cheek, actually knew more than he let on leading him to make a joke of it.
Saying that John Howard is in Australia or alternatively in another country is one thing but why then would you add that he may be dead - unless you knew something that others didn't?
The bottom line is; why go after a man that is more than likely already dead? Answer: It makes good propaganda to keep up the fear factor among the decreasing number of the dumb and gullible - like, so it appears, yourself.
The alternate petition is not against the IAJV but specifically titled against Antony Loewenstein.
You are right that it has garnered about 40 or so signatures. However, this is a little more than 10% of the number of people who currently visit his site each day.
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s17pantz&r=0
Compared to his petition (which seeks the signatures of an Australian Jewish population of some 120,000) which has garnered less than 500 signatures, I think the counter petition is well ahead.
Anonymous, if you think the winner is the site that's had the most hits then you are severely deluded. The bottom line is the number of people who sign the partition - not the number of people that visit the site. Besides, if more people are visiting the alternative site yet the signature numbers remain at 40 odd to 400 odd then clearly the people visiting the alternative site are not persuaded by their argument; indeed, I would suggest that most visitors to the alternative site are those who are simply curious to see who the warmongering right-wing lunatics actually are.
The visitors to the site I referred to are visitors to Antony Loewenstein's site. There are about 400 visits to his site daily. On the anti-Loewenstein (not anti-IAJV) petition there are 40+ signatures.
The proportion of Jews who have signed Antony's petition compared to the number that profess Judaism in Australia is significantly less of a propotion than this.
As far as I know there are no stats on how many people visit each petition site.
You should note that the petitions are not in opposition. One is pro-IAJV, the other is anti-Loewenstein.
Are you saying that 40 people don't like Antony!!?? I'm sure he's devasted by the fact he is disliked by 40 raving right-wing Zionist warmongering lunatics.
Site hits tell you nothing about the motives of people visiting any particular site. As I said before, the bottom line is the number of signatures that are collected.
If the "bottom line" is the signatures collected then the IAJV petition is going nowhere. They have barely added a signatire in a week and the total is still under 500. This is less than half what they were hoping for and less than half of one percent of their target group.
Antony's group will have little impact on the debate as they are the definition of a fringe group in the wider Jewish community.
Anonymous, no matter what way you want to shuffle the cards, it's still doing a lot better than the list of right-wing extremist Islamophobic warmongers that have listed themselves at the other site.
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