tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708970.post2473022744451131936..comments2024-01-25T12:33:03.851+10:30Comments on Telling the History of the Twenty-First Century as it Really Is: IRAN AND ISRAEL: THE RHETORIC AND PROPAGANDA VERSUS THE GEO-POLITICAL REALITY.Damian Lataanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06886295381135372084noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708970.post-75057525287328133142009-09-23T13:21:56.943+09:302009-09-23T13:21:56.943+09:30To put a clearer perspective on my previous commen...To put a clearer perspective on my previous comment, here is a transcript of a Sept 15 CNN interview with Dmitri Medvedev.<br />It is long and covers a lot of ground.<br />http://eng.kremlin.ru/speeches/2009/09/20/1600_type82916_221730.shtml<br /><br />An item of particular interest is Zakaria's 9th question and DM's reponse: <br /><br /><i>FAREED ZAKARIA: If Israel were to attack Iran, would Russia support Iran in such a conflict?<br /><br />DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Russia can not support anybody or act in such situation. We are a peaceful state and we have our own understanding of our defense strategy. This is the first point.<br /><br />The second point. We have our allies with which we have concluded one or other agreements. In case of Iran we do not have obligations of this kind. But it does not mean that we would like to be or will be impassible before such developments. This is the worst thing that can be imagined. I have already commented on this issue. Let us try together to reason upon it. What will happen after that? Humanitarian disaster, a vast number of refugees, Iran’s wish to take revenge and not only upon Israel, to be honest, but upon other countries as well. And absolutely unpredictable development of the situation in the region. I believe that the magnitude of this disaster can be weighted against almost nothing. For this reason before making decision to deliver blows it is necessary to assess the situation. It would be the most unreasonable developments. But my Israeli colleagues told me that they were not planning to act in this way and I trust them.</i><br /><br />I could be wrong but, to me, what he is saying is that Russia has no plan, treaty, or obligation, to defend Iran if it is attacked; BUT no such plan is necessary because Israel has PROMISED him that it won't attack Iran and he TRUSTS them to keep that promise. The clear implication is that if Israel changes its mind, and breaks its promise, then Russia would be obliged to "adjust" its policy based on this new reality.<br />Interpreted through the lense of his earlier remark<i> But it does not mean that we would like to be or will be impassible before such developments</i><br />that is a thinly veiled threat which only a fool would fail to take seriously.Bibi's Lunatic Fringenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708970.post-16440914925486991582009-09-22T22:40:05.851+09:302009-09-22T22:40:05.851+09:30Once aspect this analysis has overlooked, what wil...Once aspect this analysis has overlooked, what will 1 billion of Arabs respond? This is the de factor to hold Israel and her attacking dog_ USI_ from attacking Iran. Iran has the supports of more than 1 billion Arabs. Furthermore, there are few billions Asians who will sympathize to Iranians once Israelis start killing Iranians directly or indirectly.<br /><br />The whole world has known Israel's killing plans.<br /><br />It's not what Iran can do to Israel that has hold off Israel's attacks on Iran. It's the asymetric responses from Iran and Iran-sympathisers. Israelis have known about this, and they are not going to commit suicide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708970.post-67112938290271994042009-09-22T16:11:01.957+09:302009-09-22T16:11:01.957+09:30Barak has said that he doesn't regard an Irani...Barak has said that he doesn't regard an Iranian Nuke as an existential threat. (Via Helena Cobban)...<br />http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/17/israels_defense_minister_iranian_nukes_not_an_exis/<br /><br />In a similar/related vein yesterday, after some US bluster about Israel attacking Iran, Medvedev came out and said that he had been personally assured by Israel that it would not attack Iran's nuclear facilities. That position reflects Putin's recent warning that an attack on Iran 'would not be a good idea'. <br /><br />He didn't elaborate in any specific way but the Izzies would be aware that Bushir will be staffed by Russians - valuable Russians. In Georgia, last year, we saw the way Russia reacts when people kill Russians for no good reason. The Americans wouldn't dare intervene if Russia decided to physically rebuke the Parasite State for such a serious error of judgment. Thus Israel risks being Iraqified by Iran and Georgiafied by Russia.<br /><br />I think people are taking the Iran bluster from Shrillary, AIPAC and other closet Zionists and neocons far too seriously. It's nothing more than a diversionary confection. And it's not devoid of amusing elements, either. Russia doesn't issue idle threats so it's amusing that Putin-Medvedev are so uncertain of Israel's insanity quotient that they deem it necessary to point out the bleeding obvious to them - just in case they really are as recklessly myopic as they appear to be.Bibi's Lunatic Fringenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708970.post-58247638694358339212009-09-22T06:09:55.110+09:302009-09-22T06:09:55.110+09:30I've spent many dozens of hours seeking eviden...I've spent many dozens of hours seeking evidence that Israel has a strategic nuclear arsenal. The evidence that it doesn't outweighs the flimsy evidence that it does by a considerable margin. Their own behaviour substantiates this conclusion. <br /><br />o We are told (variously & by anonymous sources plus M Vanunu) that Zion has between 200 and 400 nuclear weapons. <br />o Israel does a lot of complaining about existential threats.<br />o 200 to 400 strategic Nukes would be sufficient to deter any of the major nuclear powers - if one had the means to deliver them at short notice.<br />o Israel doesn't want the IAEA poking its nose into its nuclear arsenal for the same reason the US doesn't; there aren't nearly as many nukes in the US arsenal as there should be - ie nukes that US taxpayers have paid for (Private Enterprise, kick-back culture etc etc). In America's case the shortfall doesn't impact deterrence. In Israel's case, 0 strategic nukes means 0 deterrence. Israel might have obtained tactical nukes but these have limited value as a deterrent ie if Iran was attacked, tactical nukes wouldn't deter, or halt, a counter-attack.<br />o It makes no sense at all to have an abundance of the ultimate deterrent and then render the facts ambiguous.<br />A secret deterrent?<br />I don't think so.<br />o My guess is that Israel has discovered the US N-scam (and imo a similar UK N-scam) and is using the info to extract favours.<br />o Whatever the facts, I'm quite confident that Israel doesn't possess a nuclear arsenal worth talking about. If it did it would have told <i>everyone</i>.<br /><br />Apart from the foregoing, Israelis are notoriously spineless, as they have demonstrated on numerous occasions. Their 'boots on the ground' have been sent home in tears TWICE from Lebanon (by MEN with guts and guns) after killing women and children there. It's ludicrous to even imagine that they could win a conflict with Iran. America's conspicuously consuming military is VASTLY over-rated and is used primarily as a tool to milk taxpayers. Most of the money "spent" on its moronic wars winds up in the pockets of corporate US citizens 'close to the government' (with non combatant children and Swiss bank accounts).Bibi's Lunatic Fringenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708970.post-49676715075496630192009-09-21T21:04:37.330+09:302009-09-21T21:04:37.330+09:30Yes, Zionism is an ideology of mass theft and geno...Yes, Zionism is an ideology of mass theft and genocide, and yes, the Zionists are masters of public relations, and they own most of the Western mainstream media. But can we therefore conclude that they suffer from a death wish? Iran is not defenceless.traducteurnoreply@blogger.com